This is bad.
Something just hurt me.
I gotta get out of here, I gotta get out of here.
We are being physically attacked.
I had a shadow figure hold me down in bed.
There's some kind of demonic thing.
I don't know if it's a demon or not,
but it sure as hell looks like one.
- Is she possessed? - Yeah.
My God.
These evil little things are in here.
Panic, panic, panic.
My name is Amy Allan.
I'm seeing, like, blood.
The house just feels bad.
I see dead people.
This man is completely insane.
I speak to dead people...
Whoo. Okay. She doesn't like it in there.
...and they speak to me.
He likes to twist that knife.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
Something paranormal is trying to kill them.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.
Now does he die right there, on the spot?
I know every person, every house has secrets.
I think it's trying to steal my soul.
It's my job to reveal them.
You ever get touched like that again?
But Steve and I never speak...
We never communicate during an investigation.
...until the very end.
I'm as stunned as you guys are.
When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...
I don't want anything to happen to my daughter.
Or time to get out.
His goal is to kill you guys.
I'm in Mahwah, New Jersey.
It's a suburb about 45 minutes northwest of New York City.
I got a call from a mother named Jen. Sounded really bad.
She says something in her house
is attacking her and her four kids.
And if Amy and I can't help,
somebody's gonna get seriously hurt.
Before Amy arrives, I sweep the house
for any leading information.
Family photographs and religious symbols
can influence her findings,
so it's important I cover or remove them all.
When I'm done,
the location will be ready for tonight's walk.
This place is not good.
I'm just getting feelings in here, like, emotions.
Unsettled, nervous, worried, stress.
Like, I'm hearing like, "Get away from me.
Like, "get away, get away, get away."
This is really bad. I wanna run away. I don't like this.
Well, Jen, I'm glad I'm here,
'cause when we spoke on the phone,
you sounded pretty upset. The hell's going on here?
I feel like I'm living in hell.
The activity is aggressive in this house,
and it's going after me and my kids.
Afraid, you know, something's gonna happen to one of us.
And I can't do that as a mother. I need your help.
Well, that's why I'm here, honey. I know.
So, Jen, who exactly lives in the house?
My husband Gary and my four kids.
This is Joe. He's 15.
These are my twins, Ryan and Michael. They're 13.
Okay.
And this is my daughter Samantha, and she's 6.
Jen, do me a favor. Give me a -- gimme a list
of what you guys are experiencing here.
Hearing disembodied voices.
There's been a lot of shadow figures.
Objects moving on their own.
The health of the family is declining.
We are being physically attacked.
Okay. So now, Jen, is everybody being affected by this?
Yeah, but Joseph is getting the brunt of it.
- In what way? - He's lashing out.
He's doing things that are not in character for him.
It's not normal teenage stuff.
Well, what do you think is here, honey?
I believe there's some kind of hold or possession on him.
What do you think it wants?
I'm afraid it wants to kill him.
You got a lot on your shoulders as a mom to begin with.
How are dealing with all this other stuff?
I have horrible anxiety.
And I just can't protect my kids.
Samantha's only 6.
And she -- she's a baby still.
I don't wanna live like this anymore.
I'm seeing a male out here.
And this person is, like, confused
and, like, scared, pacing or running.
The dude from outside comes in here.
And he's running and he's running.
Boom, and then he's in here.
Also, he makes the living feel anxious
and it almost makes you wanna throw up.
Just utter despair.
And your stomach drops out and you wanna vomit.
Definitely getting the chills with him.
He affects electrical stuff.
He has too much energy.
How would the living perceive this?
People do see a dark shadow moving by.
He's just a shadow person down here.
Okay, Jen, so what's going on in this room?
Constantly, we see shadow figures
coming down the stairs.
I could be in bed and see them from my bedroom, too.
So is this the only spot that you see the shadow figures?
No, I see them all over the house.
I see shadow figures outside behind the fence.
This one is completely tall.
It's like he has got, like, an overcoat on.
I think that this guy is no good.
Okay. Anything else strange happen?
On top of the stairs, all the sudden,
I felt a hand on my back and I got pushed,
and, like, it was gonna, like, throw me down the stairs.
So how hard did you get pushed? Just gimme an idea.
I mean, like this.
Okay, you're getting shoved, and you have a 6-year-old.
Who's to say that can't happen to her?
That's my concern. He wants to hurt us.
This guy's energy is so bad.
Like, I don't even wanna go down the stairs right now
'cause little... a little loopy.
I'm not feeling very well right now.
I think that dude from outside is making me feel sick.
I feel drained.
I feel nauseous.
I feel very dizzy.
I would be worried about the living accidentally falling.
He is doing things
because he's angry.
Any idea what kind of affect he might have on the living?
I think that they would feel a drain.
I think they would feel, like, sudden exhaustion.
I think that they feel uncomfortable.
I think, panicked.
So what's going on in here?
I think whatever is in this house is draining my energy.
- Okay. - I can't sleep at night.
And then I can't wake up in the morning.
All right, anything else like that?
My health is declining. I'm sore.
I get fevers on and off.
Everything in my body, every muscle, everything.
So what makes you think this is paranormal?
Medically, they can't find anything wrong.
All right, anything else?
There's mood changes, me and my husband.
He seems to be more of a nasty, mad,
taking out aggression and things like that.
When I'm here, I'm not normal either.
You know, we fight constantly.
Well, I gotta be honest with you.
I gotta play devil's advocate here.
- I mean, couples fight. - It's not normal fights.
We're like soul mates.
We've been through a lot of things together.
This should not break us up.
I'm afraid to even ask. Anything else?
I've been bruised in the middle of the night.
I wake up with them. It just makes no sense.
So what kinda bruises we talking about?
Like three fingerprints?
How do you know your husband's not rolling over
and banging into you?
Well, he sleeps like a rock, and there's no way.
So I'm seeing this older woman,
and she's, like, hurting living people.
I'm seeing that older woman trying to strangle somebody.
The living here are absolutely experiencing a lot of pain.
She died from an infection or something.
I don't know if somebody keeps getting, like,
some kind of infections all the time.
She's, like, cutting people.
I see her putting on nails.
And I see her touching a baby's belly,
and that makes me nervous.
Why is this woman doing this?
She wants the living out of here
because she feels they brought the evil in.
"Get them out. Get them out."
So, Gary, I was talking to your wife earlier,
and she was saying that whatever's in this house
is going after her and your kids.
I mean, you agree with that?
It definitely appears that way.
She seems to have had every paranormal experience
she can have under the sun.
Now what about you? Have you had anything?
Well, we have a lot of issues
with our electronics and electrical systems.
You know, lights turning on when there's nobody there.
Televisions coming back on
when there's no one there to turn them on.
Then to have something just plugged in
just to start smoking and burst into flames for no reason?
I don't know how to explain that.
Is there an issue with the electrical here or...
No, all the electrical has been upgraded,
from the panel right to the fixtures.
Okay. Anything else?
One night, I had a shadow figure come and hold me down in bed.
And what'd you do?
I was kinda, like, frozen,
couldn't say anything, couldn't do anything
and I just kinda laid there for a minute or so,
and that I felt it just lift up the pressure off me
and it left the room. - Wow.
So now your wife also mentioned to me
she sees a big change in your son Joseph.
Yeah, he lashes out at my wife for no reason.
He physically attacks my other children for no reason.
Look, I know teenagers are jerks.
- Couldn't it just be that? - No.
I mean, he'll have, like,
a glassy but crazy, you know, look in his eye,
almost like it's not my son.
He has, like, an evil smile.
I hate to say my son was possessed,
but, I mean, it almost gave me that impression.
I mean, what do you think is here?
I don't know if it's demonic, but I just want it gone.
I'm feeling a paralysis thing.
Somebody having that happen to them.
Can't move, can't move.
Boy.
I'm seeing these small black shadow things.
Do you have any idea yet what these things are?
I think they're, like, some kind of demonic thing.
These evil little things are in here.
They are trying to take over
because the evil is in them.
What going on?
Something just hurt me.
Felt like I got jabbed.
Joe, I was talking to your mom and dad,
and they think that whatever's going on in this house
is changing your personality.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
I get mad at everybody all the time,
ridiculous little things that happen.
When I'm out of the house, I feel like, you know,
nothing bothers me. But when I'm in here,
someone could just do something so insignificant,
and I'd just lose it.
All right, so what about experiences that you've had?
For 15 years, I've seen shadow figures.
What do they look like to you?
Some have, like, oddly shaped heads,
oddly shaped bodies, tentacle-like arms.
That's a new one. Anything else going on with you?
Well, I have these vivid nightmares constantly.
Do me a favor and describe one for me.
Sometimes I just wake up,
and something's trying to get me.
All right, so this thing that's trying to get you
in your dream, what does it look like?
Can you describe it?
I don't know if it's a demon or not,
but it sure as hell looks like one.
Anything else?
I've woken up with scratches and bruises
on my back and my arms.
Okay, so what are these scratches like? Are they...
They're not deep, but they're very visible.
Okay, you're the oldest.
I mean, you got younger brothers and sisters.
Yeah. You worried about your brothers?
I am very worried about them,
and I'm very concerned about my sister
because of how young she is.
Um...
Sorry. I don't wanna see her be affected in the future.
Someone here might be getting influenced.
These things wanna, like, take over.
Like, it's not, like, influenced subtly.
No, no, no, it's change.
Like, change.
What do you mean?
I think a personality change.
I think maybe the living are thinking,
like, this is nightmares.
Is it specifically the person in this room?
So what do they want with this kid?
They would like to take over the kid.
Samantha, how old are you?
- Um, 6. -6. Okay.
So I was talking to Mommy today,
and she was telling me there's some scary things
going on in this house.
Can you tell me about anything that you've seen
that might have scared you?
I saw, like, shadows and stuff around the house.
Can you tell me what those shadow things
looked like to you?
Like, they're, like, um, on the wall.
They're, like, all black.
And then one of them, like, leaves.
Like, they disappear.
Okay, anything else scare you?
I saw a ghost bear.
How big was he?
He was, like, up to the table.
So he's kinda big.
I, like, heard steps and then saw a bear
walking, like, tip-toeing,
and then I ran back to my room.
So you afraid to be here in the house?
Okay.
I don't like this.
No, no. This is bad.
I don't know why these, like, demon things are here,
but they are.
They're messing with the kid in this room, too.
I think these evil things are hurting people.
I feel like this kids are, like...
not okay.
- It's upsetting me. - Okay.
I keep hearing, "Hurting the baby."
They're being, like, taken over.
The kid's, like, completely possessed.
So whenever I get to town,
the first call I make is to the local police chief.
Turns out there was a horrible murder/suicide
on Jen's property back in the 1930s.
I'm heading over now to find out exactly what happened.
So, Chief, thanks for meeting with me.
I know my client's property is literally right here.
And this pond area used to be part of the property, right?
Back in the 1930s, this pond and the surrounding areas
was part of a massive dairy farm.
It was part of the estate.
What can tell me about the victims in this case?
Well, the first victim is Bertie Wells.
She was a neighbor
of the people that owned the property at the time.
On October 5, 1937, she took her 3-year-old son John
for a walk around 6:00 at night.
Several hours later, her husband Edgar comes home.
He finds the house empty.
He knows something's wrong, so he calls the police.
They start a massive search of the area.
Several hours into the search, they saw
the head of Bertie Wells bobbing in the water
in the middle of the pond.
When they retrieve her, they find the body of John,
his icy arms still wrapped, frozen,
in his mother's arms.
Jeez. Now what was the official cause of death?
These are the death certificates
showing suffocation from drowning.
She was only 41. What a shame.
I'm seeing this other woman.
She might be in her 30s or 40s.
It's a white female. She's face-down.
She's wearing a red dress and she has blonde hair.
It looks like she doesn't have any bones.
She's all liquid.
I think she died somewhere near the property.
This felt recent to me -- the 1920s, the 1930s.
I felt despair, and then I felt a broken heart and pain.
And then I got "missing" and I got "lost."
Like, that could be how she feels.
She was a mother. Like, I keep seeing her over a baby.
I'm hearing infant crying and dying.
And the older woman says, "Not my fault."
So far, I've got a family being attacked in their own home
and a horribly murder/suicide that took place
right on my client's original property.
But I gotta see if there's anything else.
Searching through old records,
I find this Hungarian Count, who committed suicide
right next door to Jen and Gary's house.
So I got local historian looking into this strange case for me,
and she says the death was a combination
of a lost fortune, mental illness,
and lots of booze.
Well, Amanda, thanks for helping me out with this case.
This seems like a really crazy story.
I mean, I've done over 140 of these cases,
and I've never come across European royalty.
It is crazy.
So what can you tell me about this Count?
The Count's name was Rudolf Palffy.
And the Palffy family was quite wealthy
in the 1800s back in Hungary.
Okay.
In 1873, Rudolf's father declared financial ruin.
Well, he's in despair from losing all his money,
and he takes a gun and shoots himself.
Really? Okay, so Rudolf's dad is dead now. What does he do?
Well, Rudolf goes to France to live with his brother Arthur,
thinking that Arthur may still have some money
and they can continue to live a lavish lifestyle in France.
But he arrives and discovers that
Arthur actually doesn't have any money.
And in 1889, Arthur follows in his father's footsteps,
and takes a pistol and shoots and kills himself.
That's crazy. Okay, so what happens next?
Rudolf ends up marrying his late brother's girlfriend,
Rosalia Zimmerman... - Okay.
...who is a commoner from Switzerland.
And the family in Hungary does not like this at all.
Any idea why?
Well, he was Catholic from Hungary.
And with her last name being Zimmerman,
she was likely Jewish.
So there probably were religious issues
that caused them to have more conflict.
How does this kid end up in Mahwah for all places?
He decides to come to America
and see if he can get a fresh start.
Okay, so when does he wind up getting here?
1891. He takes up residency with his wife in a small cottage
that's not far from your client's property.
He had $5,000 when he arrived,
which is about $140,000 in today's dollars.
Wow. But blasts through all of that in a year.
Okay, so I know this guy eventually kills himself.
How does he do it?
Well, in 1893, according to these newspaper articles,
he's out drinking with the locals in Mahwah,
and he comes home and gets in a huge argument with his wife.
Then he gives her a kiss, says, "I love you dearly,
but Switzerland cannot rule Hungary."
Then he turns and grabs his pistol,
puts it to his head and shoots and kills himself.
- Okay. - He's about 32 years of age.
I'm seeing that crazy guy running around again.
Can you describe him?
I wouldn't put him older than 30.
I think he was mentally ill.
He's got soot or burns on his face.
I keep hearing, "I gotta get outta here.
Gotta get outta here."
He felt trapped.
Just overwhelmed.
He feels confused. He feels like it's too much.
Okay, so this guy's father and his brother commit suicide.
He winds up coming here, right near my client's property,
has money issues, and kills himself as well?
Yes.
What happens with the wife after he kills himself?
She's distraught. She's left penniless.
She ends up with nothing. It's definitely a tragic story.
I'm getting a connection between the crazy guy
and the nasty old woman.
There's something with them, friction.
He's afraid of her.
Why are you afraid?
Do you get anything else
on who she was when she was alive?
She's extremely religious.
A lot of, like, praying.
I saw her living in a very nice place.
She's from another country.
She said that it took a long time to get here.
Then it was bad because her husband died.
Her husband died horrible.
Young, young.
She lost all her money somehow and now she's mad.
For more information about the show,
and if you need us to investigate
unexplained activity in your home...
Please visit TravelChannel.com/TheDeadFiles.
Click on "Help Me, Dead Files!" to submit your story,
and we'll help if we can.
I've already got multiple suicides
and a murder on Jen's property.
But something else caught my eye in research.
A mom killed four of her kids
just down the street from Jen's house.
I'm going to meet the local sheriff,
who says it was one of the worst crimes in Mahwah's history.
So, Sheriff, you mentioned on the phone
that there was this quadruple homicide
that happened right near my client's property.
It involved a couple that lived in Mahwah.
Kenneth McDonald, he was 32 years old.
And his wife, Carol McDonald, she was 29.
She was a stay-at-home mom, caring for their four children.
There came a point, early in 1953,
where Kenneth found out that Carol was cheating on him.
He was devastated, furious, and at one point
left the household and filed for divorce.
- Okay. - When she decides she wants
to retaliate against the husband.
Okay, so what'd she wind up doing?
So on May 3, 1953,
she wakes up her four children,
little after midnight.
These children ranged from age 2 to 7,
two boys and two girls.
She walked them out into the garage to the family car,
put them in the car, turned on the engine,
and then she came back inside.
All right, so let me get this straight.
She leaves the four kids in the car,
and then walks back into the house.
Yes. She went in the house
and wrote six separate suicide letters.
As she's taking two hours to write
these six individual suicide letters,
these poor four children are in that car,
getting asphyxiated.
There came a point where she realized,
maybe this isn't the right thing to do.
She went back into the garage, but, of course, it was too late.
The four children were dead.
That's actually an article I found
on the whole story there.
Cops respond to the house, they arrest her.
She's subsequently charged with four counts of murder.
Here's a picture of her being arrested
in the police car with the detective.
Look at that.
After her arrest, she was transported right to this jail,
right where we're standing.
She tried to commit suicide.
So I assume they got a conviction.
The saddest part of this whole story
is that she was deemed to be insane
and never stood trial.
She was sent to a state psychiatric hospital
where, after three years, she was released
and never had to pay for this crime.
- Are you kidding me? - Wish I was.
Something's happening here.
I'm getting, like, a fight between two people.
There's two people fighting in this area.
One is definitely a male.
Fighting, fighting.
It's not good.
I don't like it.
I think, like, something dies.
This is not a good situation.
I'm being shown a bunch of kids.
Something about an attack
at night.
It happened inside.
I see absolute horror,
over and over again.
I saw many disturbing things on my walk,
but two stood out.
First, the old woman attacking a living child.
She is behind the bed
with her hands on this child's, like, chest/neck area.
He was, um, being choked.
She had a very unusual face.
She had very dark eyes.
Next, I described the black shadow things
trying to possess a child in the upstairs bedroom.
There were about three or four of them
surrounding the bed,
trying to, like, take over the child's body.
Amy, is this what you saw?
Yes.
Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other
and our clients for the first time.
Amy this is Jen and her husband Gary.
They live here with their four very sweet kids.
This is Joseph, who's 15.
This is Ryan and Michael, who are 13-year-old twins,
and Samantha, who's 6.
Now we're sitting here, so obviously the activity's bad,
but these two say it's so bad,
they don't think it's safe for anybody to be in this house,
especially Joe.
So now that Amy knows who you guys are,
I'm going to ask her to describe her walk for us.
So when I first got here,
I saw a deceased female
who was laying face-down.
I got that she was in her 30s or her 40s.
She did look a little odd.
To me, it looked like almost, like, a pool of her
because it didn't seem like she had any bones.
A lot of pain and despair.
Something about her being a mother
but she didn't have her kids, and then somebody
was talking about someone being lost or missing
so that she had a broken heart, and I think it's possible
she died somewhere on the property.
I know you didn't get a lot, but what you did get
reminds me of a woman I came across in research.
Now back in the 1930s, this property was part
of a 500-acre dairy farm.
Now a woman named Bertie Wells lived on
the property next door to that farm
with her husband and two sons.
So now on the evening of October 5, 1937,
Bertie took her 3-year-old kid, John,
for a walk right to that pond
that's only around the block here.
She went missing.
Now the cops wind up doing a town-wide search
for Bertie and the kid.
Within a few hours,
they found both their bodies in the pond.
From what the cops could gather,
Bertie had walked into the pond with the boy in her arms,
and drowned them both.
And I got their death certificates here.
Now the only motive for this suicide
was that Bertie had been depressed for months
over her declining health.
So I'm just curious if you think Bertie Wells
could be the woman you might have seen?
Yeah, that's a big possibility.
The next person that I ran into was a male,
and I first encountered him outside,
and he was running around like a frickin' maniac.
He's extremely confused and scared.
He doesn't get that he's deceased,
which is a big problem.
I think that the living here would maybe see him
running outside in the yard.
The way that I saw him was very much as a shadow person,
as a shadow figure.
- Wow. - I see him in the back.
He just stands there and watches you.
Yeah.
He, like, does not stop moving
And he, because of that,
can affect, like, the electricity in the house
or, like, TVs and stuff like that, you know?
Gary, tell her what's going on with the electric.
We leave the house, everything was off.
We'd come home, the lights in the attic are on,
there's TVs on, radios on. I mean, you name it.
Wow. Okay.
You might, when you're around him,
feel a lot of emotional swings.
It's just a constant struggle for me to be --
just to be happy with anything.
You know, it's changing my personality.
I can leave work in a great mood and I'll walk into the house,
and all of a sudden, I'm just angry at everybody.
He can make you feel anxious
and dizzy and nauseous and drained.
My energy is gone.
I can sleep all day and still feel like I haven't slept.
It's terrible.
She talked about something else that we didn't hit on,
was the anxiety, being anxious.
The anxiety, the panic attacks,
as each month goes by, it gets worse and worse.
They tried putting me on meds for it.
Nothing works.
Now all that stuff they talked about
sounds like it could be this guy.
Yes, that's that guy.
Get any idea who this guy might have been when he was alive?
Due to the fact that he wouldn't stop moving,
I could not really see him very well,
but I'm thinking about 30 years of age.
But mentally, he absolutely seemed like
he was functioning at a much younger level.
I think that he might have had some mental illness as well.
Definitely was not in a good place when he died.
Also, there's a deceased female who's here,
and there's some kind of strange connection
between them, and I'm not sure what.
Well, you know, I got a pretty good idea
of who this guy might have been,
but I want to wait until you tell us
about the woman you said he was connected to.
So she's the most dominant dead person here.
Got that she was in her 40s or 50s.
I got that she was from another country,
but I'm not sure where.
She's extremely religious person.
Extremely.
Got that she was married,
ended up losing all her money somehow.
And then it got worse for her
because then her husband died,
and apparently, it was a horrible death.
After he died, that was it. Boom. Everything went to...
Now I know who you're talking about.
So in the 1890s, there was a European couple
that lived in a cottage right next to this property.
Now this guy was part of the Hungarian royal family.
His name was Rudolf Palffy.
Now the expert I talked to told me
that Rudolf and his brother were pretty immature.
They basically partied and spent the father's fortune.
The father went bankrupt in 1873.
Now the father was so ashamed by what happened,
he shot and killed himself a few years later.
Rudolf then went to go live with his brother, Arthur,
hoping to, you know, get money off of him,
but he was living in France.
Arthur winds up shooting himself in the head in 1889
and killing himself.
After Arthur's suicide, Rudolf married
his dead brother's girlfriend, Rosalia Zimmerman.
Rudolf's family was pissed about the marriage
for a couple of reasons.
First, he was royalty, and she wasn't.
So the other issue they had with the marriage
was that family was Catholic, and she was Jewish.
The expert I talked to said they wanted a fresh start
and they came to America from France.
When they did come here, though,
he had the equivalent of what would have been $140,000,
and he went through it within a year.
In 1893, Rudolf goes out drinking
with some of the locals in town.
When he gets home, him and Rosalia got into a huge fight.
The two were arguing when he stopped, he said,
"I love you dearly,
but Switzerland cannot rule Hungary,"
pulls out a pistol and blows his brains out.
And he did it right in front of her.
Now you said he was about 30?
He was 32 when he died.
So do you think this is who you saw?
Yes.
Now you said the dead woman, his wife, was dominant.
Yeah. She's just bad news.
She's extremely protective of this house and the land.
She's extremely angry at the living here,
and one of the things I saw her doing
was sharpening her fingernails and scratching living people.
Jen, the scratches, you and Joseph.
Scratches, bruises, both me and the 15-year-old.
They seem to come up in the middle of the night
or just show up out of nowhere. - Interesting.
The other thing was that she had died from
some kind of infections, and now when
she's around living people, she can make you feel like that.
And I was concerned about people here
developing random illnesses.
They say I have, like, reversed immune system,
and they gave me antibiotics.
I have to take, like, three, four rounds of it
before anything works. - Every time she gets a cold,
it almost always turns into pneumonia.
Now could all of this be this woman?
Yes.
I saw her in the blue bedroom upstairs.
That's Joseph's room, right?
I did have a sketch done.
Ooh.
Okay.
Believe me now?
What is she doing to him?
Strangling him.
- I know it's tough to look at. - Yeah, I-I can't.
Here, we'll just turn it over.
I hate to even ask what else.
There's something here that has me much more concerned.
- More than this? - Yeah.
There were these entities that I saw during my walk.
They looked like small shadow figures
or small -- They almost looked like ghosts.
Like if somebody had a child,
dropped a black sheet on the child...
I've seen them everywhere around, through the house.
Little kid with like, you know,
just like you're putting, like, a blanket over him.
They do make people sick.
When I came into contact with them upstairs
in the blue room, I felt like the person,
the living person in there,
would have bouts of severe nausea
if not vomiting.
So have you guys noticed anything like that with Joe?
Yes, he comes downstairs and he's like,
"Can I get an container or something?
I feel like I'm gonna throw up."
Okay, living people here would believe
that they're having nightmares,
but it would be due to these things influencing them.
When I talk to Joe, he told me he has
constant nightmares about a demon attacking him.
He's had these nightmares for as long as he can remember.
These things also manipulate the living
when they're awake.
I saw this little child, and his personality
completely changes, and it just gave me chills
seeing this vision because it was like,
you knew, like, this wasn't this kid anymore.
I mean, that's one of our big things with Joe.
Sometimes I feel like he's not there.
I don't want to use the word "possessed,"
but it's the feeling that I get.
I had a sketch done of what I saw in the blue bedroom.
I- I gotta show it to you, even though I don't wanna.
My God.
I don't know what to say.
What the hell are these things?
I believe that they are a type of demonic entity.
They're very bad.
Well, what about Joseph? What do they want from him?
They want to possess him.
And I'm always afraid of Joseph doing
something to hurt himself or somebody else.
I also saw these things in the room across the hall.
- Samantha's? - Samantha's room.
They already had her, like, from birth.
That's why the activity's gotten worse.
My God.
- Is she possessed? - Yeah.
My God.
There's one that's literally inside her all the time.
So, Jen, you called us in
because you thought the kids were in danger here.
And I don't know if it was mother's intuition or what,
but based on what Amy's told us, you are 100% right.
So now the big question is,
is there a way for you to save your children,
or do you need to pack up before someone
gets seriously hurt and get the hell out of here?
For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
So, we're going to start with the dead man.
Talking about Rudolf, the guy who shot himself?
Right.
So getting him out of the house,
we're going to utilize tar water.
The tar water forms a long-lasting barrier
that prevents the dead from entering your home.
You're also going to be removing the dead lady.
You mean Rudolf's wife, Rosalia? Yes.
This one, you're going to need a medium for.
Someone who is Jewish, who is also a medium,
who can come and talk to her
and specifically tell her that she's gotta go.
She's gonna move on real quick.
Now as far as the demons,
you do need to set up an exorcism
to take place for Sam.
It could be very traumatic
and this could take several meetings.
I'm already dreading just the fact to have to
try to somehow explain it to her,
let alone put her through it.
It's not like she necessarily has to be told these things.
For all she knows, he's just doing
- nice little prayers over her. - Yeah.
So you're saying exorcism for Sam. Yes.
What about Joseph?
After Sam, then Joseph.
How do you think Joseph's going to react to this?
I think he's gonna feel vindicated
and embrace the fight to get it taken care of.
Okay, once both of the children have been taken care of,
then the entire house has to be blessed
as well as the land.
And then every year,
you have to have the house and the land blessed.
So the exorcism and then blessing the house
will get rid of the little demons?
Correct.
And so what about their mood swings and personality changes?
Will those get better, too?
Once they're completely done with absolutely everything,
yeah, it'll be good.
It's funny, when we talked,
you broke my heart actually, listening to you.
All you wanted was your kids to be safe
and to save your marriage.
Now she basically gave you a map on how to do that.
So are you going to do what Amy tells you to do?
Absolutely.
There's not a question in my mind.
I can't thank you enough...
'cause it's gotta stop now.
It won't be easy removing the dead
in Jen and Gary's home,
but with the help of a medium and tar water,
they can be banished.
If they do that and get Sam and Joe exercised,
this family will find the peace they've been searching for.